Reblog: “CROSS 2013: Panel with John Piper and Mark Dever”

“Cross 2013: Panel with John Piper and Mark Dever”
a panel discussion at CROSS 2013

This is a great (and might I say–unusually funny?) discussion between Mark Dever and John Piper about missions from the CROSS conference in 2013. As Piper mentions in the video, CROSS is mainly about getting people interested in frontier missions, to minister to people groups where the church and the gospel are not established. Their discussion centers around defining what missions is, asking how dating and married couples should approach when only one member of the relationship feels a call to missions, and the relationship between Reformed theology–namely predestination–and missions. It’s a funny, informative, and short video (only 48 minutes long!), so if you have an interest in missions, I’d highly recommend this to you. Here are some highlights:

  • John Piper, on the definition of a missionary: “He or she crosses a culture, learns a language, and puts the gospel and the church in a people group where it isn’t.” Thus he suggests that journeying from England to Australia is not missions, while traveling to minister to Somali immigrants in Minneapolis is.
  • Piper then distinguishes between “Paul-type” (also called “frontier” or “pioneer”) versus “Timothy-type” missions. So moving to Australia is Timothy-type missions, but not Paul-type, frontier missions.
  • The main question as to what constitutes frontier missions is: “Are there viable churches?”
  • Piper: “Missions movement is people group-movement, not geography-movement.”

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